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Speaker 1: up too, So it's going to be a good and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll figure out something for me to try to.

432
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Speaker 1: The lip bomb sounds great, Like a lip bomb sounds great.

433
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Speaker 1: I definitely. Yeah. Both of you've talked today about like

434
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Speaker 1: how you love learning and you're curious and you're always

435
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Speaker 1: trying your best in whatever it weigh is to be

436
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: to be open to stuff. I want to know what's

437
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: something recently that you've both been trying to learn more

438
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: about this year or in the last twelve months or

439
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: even recently, Like what's been something that you think has

440
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: been sparking your curiosity individually? Like, what's what's been that

441
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: thing it's been like want to learn a bit more

442
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: about that this? Yeah, I'm just gonna go I'm gonna

443
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Speaker 1: answer this question from like the last book I read

444
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: totally because I read a lot of books and they're

445
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: all on different topics. Like I just reread The Four

446
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: Agreements and then at the same time was reading On Palestine,

447
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: the Noam Chomsky Ellen Pape book. This incredible physicist Carlos Rovelli,

448
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: and he is amazing because he talks about physics from

449
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: a very poetic perspective. And I'm really into allegories, especially

450
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: in topics that are as complex as physics, and he

451
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: makes it so easy to understand, because you know, physics

452
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: is like from like the smallest atom, how things are created,

453
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Speaker 1: and I'm really interested in creation. I think reading books

454
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: on like different subjects help my mind kind of put

455
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Speaker 1: things together. I always remember when Steve Jobs said creativity

456
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: is just connecting things. In the beginning, I was like,

457
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: I need to just focus on one book, you know,

458
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: like I need to just do the one book. But

459
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: I just like started embracing the fact that I'm yeah,

460
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 1: we like jumping around. I just jump around a lot

461
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: from book to book, and I think it informs informs

462
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: my intellect and a more creative way. But yeah, On

463
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: Palestine is like a really important book on the subject,

464
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Speaker 1: and I also read this amazing book called The Way

465
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: of the Spring by Ben Aharon Reich that is about

466
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: the situation in Palestine, but mostly through anecdotes with people

467
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: who live there, like Palestinians who live in the West Bank.

468
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: I love both those books on the subject, so if

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Speaker 1: you're looking to learn more. But I'm a big Noam

470
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: Chomsky fan. Yeah, linguistics hero, and I think something that's

471
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Speaker 1: really important that he brings up in that book is

472
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: how the language used around Palestine and the situation in

473
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: Palestine sort of has perpetuated the cycle of ineffective debate

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00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: that you know, using terms like the peace process or

475
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: negotiations or both sides. Words like that or expressions like that,

476
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: they perpetuate the sloop of what Elin Pape calls a

477
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: conceptual paralysis, and it's it's a really ineffective way of

478
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Speaker 1: talking about the situation. You know, terms like decolonization, regime change, apartheid,

479
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: ethnic lensing, those are the terms that are conducive to

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Speaker 1: real change. And I think it's so exciting to see

481
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: that finally the world is waking up and using that

482
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: those terminologies to talk about the situation in Palestine. Yeah,

483
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: that's such a great answer. I love that. I'm glad.

484
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: I love getting book recommendations, and so you've you've given

485
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: us a ton of great ones. There. Don Miguel Ruiz

486
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: has actually come in the podcast into from oh my god,

487
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: I need to be here. I figured that we'll figure

488
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: that out. I'll let you guys know. But but also

489
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: like when you know obviously, when why is learning about

490
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: or your heritage been so important to you and also

491
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 1: sharing about it too, And you know, I know that

492
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: when we connected, both of you shared so wonderfully and

493
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: also just you're both so what's the right word. I

494
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: don't want I want to say this. You're both so

495
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: curated and elegant with your words as well when you're

496
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: writing about something like you're not you're not being cautious

497
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: or you're not being careful, You're just being thoughtful. And

498
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: so tell me about why it's been so interesting for

499
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: both of you to learn about your heritage and to

500
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: learn about what's happening and how is that in formed

501
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: some of the work you've been dying. Being Middle Eastern

502
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: is inextricable to how we are and how we see

503
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: the world, and in so many you know, anybody who's

504
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: come across Middle Eastern culture. You know, it's a hotbed

505
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: of literature, architecture, mysticism. You know, there's a lot of

506
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: incredible values, generosity, understanding, loyalty, like there's that those values

507
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: are just paradigmatic of Arab culture wherever you find it

508
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: in the world. And learning about our culture, and I

509
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: think even talking on Palestine on our platform, I feel

510
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: lucky because we are Palestinians, so in some ways we

511
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: have carte blanche to talk about it, and people are

512
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: not going to criticize us the way that they would

513
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: criticize somebody who's not Palestinian. But I think we do

514
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Speaker 1: have a responsibility to highlights people that, you know, the

515
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: situation in Palestine isn't it isn't a new situation. It's

516
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: a story of it's not a new story. Like it's

517
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: a story of colonialism and dispossession and it's happened in

518
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: history over and over and over again. You know, European

519
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: settlers coming to a foreign land, expelling or committing genocide

520
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: against the indigenous people. But when you talk about it

521
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: in terms of Palestine, they make it seem just like

522
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: like this crazy, multifaceted, complex issue and anything that any

523
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: criticism against it is cassiated as anti semitic, and I

524
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: think that's where a lot of the the tension comes in.

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00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: It's like anything you say is going to be labeled

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Speaker 1: anti Semitic. But that's what the mainstream media wants you

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Speaker 1: to believe because they, you know, the whole function of

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00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: the media is to control your focus. And you know,

529
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: they don't you to be concerned over the lives of

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00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: ordinary people. They want you to be you. They want

531
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: you to focus on whether this person is anti Semitic,

532
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: and that's like the crucial value of the media. And

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Speaker 1: I think engaging in a a little bit of critical thinking

534
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: takes you out of that cheap kind of like audience

535
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Speaker 1: that are sort of passive participants in the media, which

536
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: Walter Lippmann calls the bewildered Hurd. I love that term.

537
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, all it takes is a little bit of

538
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: critical thinking and looking at the Jewish scholars like look

539
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: like listen to listen. I always tell my Jewish friends,

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00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: like I've had so many conversations with them about Palestine,

541
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: and I always say, listen to your scholars. There's some

542
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: of my favorites, you know, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Urie Davis,

543
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: Gabor Mattei, Stephen Silda. There's so many amazing Jewish scholars

544
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: who speak on the situation in Palestine. They will show

545
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: you the indoctrination that a lot of people have been

546
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: through growing up, you know, seeing Paltign in a certain way,

547
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: seeing Palastinians in a certain way, and yeah, teaching them

548
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: to relearn and engage in the critical thinking requires to

549
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: see the world as it is. Thank you for sharing that.

550
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I just love what I really appreciate

551
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: about both of you. And I see this obviously based

552
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: on some of the conversations we've had, but also from

553
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: following you guys, Like, there's just so much thought and

554
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: research and reading and thinking happening behind the scenes that

555
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: people may not be aware of. And I think if

556
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: something that we can all learn is what you just

557
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: rightly said, is the skill of critical thinking and the

558
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: skill of questioning without being judgmental, without having to put

559
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: things in a box, without division. And I think often

560
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: we think those skills come together. We think, if you're

561
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: a critical thinker, you have to be able to like

562
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: divide and segregate, whereas actually, if you're a critical thinker,

563
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: you can actually find places for everything to make sense.

564
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: And so I appreciate what you've just shared with us

565
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: from the perspective of, hey, guys, this is this is

566
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: what we need to be thinking about. This is the

567
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: kind of stuff we need to be questioning. Yeah does

568
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: that Yeah? Yeah, And I think it does take a

569
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: lot of international pressure to change the situation, and it's

570
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: awesome to see that now. You know, there's like the

571
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: BDS movement, it's really making a difference. There's like Israel

572
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: Apartheid Week across campuses that started off in Canada and

573
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: now it's like the biggest um sort of activist week, yeah,

574
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: campaign on the situation. And then there's a lot of infographics,

575
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: there's reading, there's like just so much information. And when

576
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: my friends come up to me and they, you know,

577
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: they asked me about it, especially when it was happening,

578
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: when like a couple of months ago, it was really

579
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: emotional for me to like even talk about because those

580
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: kids that you see in the videos they look like

581
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: my cousins. Like it's just it's heartbreaking. So you know,

582
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: I was always encouraging my friends, like I'll talk to

583
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: you about it, but like go online and do the research.

584
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: It's right there, and I think it's it's hard to

585
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: go and look at yourself and look at what you've

586
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: learned and say, oh, maybe I wasn't, you know, taught

587
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: what the truth is. And I've I've had direct experiences

588
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: with this. Like I went to USC and studied film,

589
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: but one of my elective classes was Middle Eastern studies,

590
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: and I remember my professor was Canadian. She studied her

591
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: She studied Middle Eastern studies her whole life, she was

592
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: a PhD. There was like a quiz happening that day,

593
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: and I remember, like we were talking about Israel Palestine,

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00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: and one of the one of my classmates, was like

595
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: razor hand. She was like, oh, well, what if I

596
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: don't believe that this is what happened, will I get

597
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: the question wrong? And my teacher was like, that's what happened,

598
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: that's history, you know. Like that interaction was just so

599
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: emblematic of the indoctrination that kids go through. Once you

600
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: look at what's happening over there through colonial perspective, you

601
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: can no longer hide behind the claim of complexity or

602
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: anti semitism or anything else. It is just is what

603
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: it is. And it's a humanitarian crisis, and we have

604
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: a responsibility to affect change. It's really cool to be

605
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: able to help in any way. And when people, you know,

606
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: say like, oh, like influence, you're an influencer, you're this

607
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: or that, it's like, I don't even get offended by

608
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: that term, because you know, there's a deeper function within

609
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: the term influencer, and that's that you have a voice

610
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: and that people will listen to you, and I thank

611
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: you for you and your platform in that way. It's

612
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's always it's so wonderful to be around

613
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: purposeful individuals and have purposeful friends doing things that are

614
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: meaningful to them and serving and helping, especially when it

615
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: comes to children. I feel like children's one thing that

616
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: I hope that no one in the world can disagree

617
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: on that you know, requires nurturing, requires love, requires the basics.

618
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: It's just basic necessity. Because actually, in that Ben Aaron

619
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: Reich book The Way of the Spring, something that really

620
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: like caught me off guard was this, like there was

621
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: this character in the book that just kept getting charged

622
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: for no reason and being put in jail for no reason.

623
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Speaker 1: And he came out of jail and he was asked like, oh,

624
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: so do you miss anything about your experience in prison,

625
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: like as a joke, and he was like, actually, prison

626
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: soul virtue was the water pressure, Like I could take

627
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: a good shower. Yeah, And it's just crazy how something

628
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: so basic as taking a shower is possible Yeah in

629
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: the West Bank and Gaza. Yeah, yeah, because they only

630
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: really have twenty percent access of the Mountain aquifer that's

631
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: literally in Gaza. So yeah, basic necessities. I mean, how

632
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: many people don't have? Yeah? Yeah, So anyone who's listening

633
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: right now. Raquel, our dear friend who introduced us, she's

634
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: sitting here and she was sharing in a really important

635
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: reflection that I can't articulate quite as well as she

636
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: did because it came from her heart. Yes, exactly, that's

637
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I'm going to repeat what Raquel

638
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: was saying that And this is what I'm hoping that

639
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: people are going to get from this episode. Like I

640
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: think that's the point, Like I think what Raquel just

641
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: said is what I'm genuinely hoping. Are people going to

642
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: get what people are going to get from this conversation

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Speaker 1: that they're going to see two people that we get

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Speaker 1: a very limited view on all ideas upon. But then

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00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: today we've got to realize just how broad your experiences are,

646
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: your life experience in life story are from Raquel was saying,

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00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, born in Saudi Arabia, you've studied in London,

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Speaker 1: in Dubai, in la You've had the experience of music,

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00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: a fashion of neuroscience, Like who brings those three things together?

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Speaker 1: And the reason why you're such tastemakers is because you're

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Speaker 1: global citizens and you live with a global heart. And

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00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: it's not just the external expression of how artistic you are,

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Speaker 1: but even your heart has been impacted by all these

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Speaker 1: other stories, philosophies and ideas that you've heard. And I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping that that does some justice. Even that is not

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00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: all of who you are, but I'm hoping that that

657
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: there's some justice into people understanding who you are. I

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Speaker 1: think having all these experiences and being so many places

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Speaker 1: and meeting people of all different cultures, it's given us

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Speaker 1: a heightened sense of empathy and compassion for being a

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Speaker 1: human being, and a sense of understanding that somebody who

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Speaker 1: grew up in one place wouldn't have. Yeah, and obviously

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Speaker 1: that's what Raquel is saying, Like your experiences of being

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Speaker 1: able to connect with so many different hearts and so

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Speaker 1: many different minds, and you've lived across so many different

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Speaker 1: places that you've you've got to experience a lot of

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Speaker 1: different cultures. And that's what you were saying earlier that

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Speaker 1: you were like, well, some people would call that privileged,

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Speaker 1: but actually you've turned your privilege into purpose and into

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Speaker 1: service and connecting with people. Like yes, like you said,

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Speaker 1: you could be privileged that you've got to travel, But

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Speaker 1: traveling hasn't made you more eager to travel. It's made

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Speaker 1: you more eager to love and serve and try and

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Speaker 1: help people. If that feels right, Yeah, it feels like

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00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: well put, yeah, your your experiences have just they haven't

676
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: made you more hungry to have more experiences and see

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Speaker 1: more places. It's like, actually, it's helped us connect with

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Speaker 1: each human that we meet and want them to feel

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Speaker 1: a certain way. What have I not asked you? Or

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00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: what have you not spoken about today? That's on your heart,

681
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: that's in your mind, and you both like, Jay, I

682
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: have to share this today. I have to tell your

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Speaker 1: community or if there is an you may say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing you've asked us, But I want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that because your friends and people I care about,

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00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: I want to make sure you feel you've had a

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00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: chance to share your heart. I don't know, I feel

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00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: like we talked about so much good. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you feel happy and satisfied with everything we've talked about,

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00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: that makes me feel good because I just, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted everyone, and I'm grateful you trusted me,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted everyone to just see just how intelligent, thoughtful,

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Speaker 1: masterful you both are in so many ways. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm honored to call you guys a friend

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00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: honestly because it's likewise. I mean, we're We're so honored

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Speaker 1: to be on this podcast. I'm so honored to hear

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Speaker 1: that from both of you because I also think the

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00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: same of you that you know, you're known for being

699
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: incredible like masters in music and in fashion and in taste,

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Speaker 1: but you're using that platform for purpose for reasons like that.

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00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: To me is it's the same trade, you know, like

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00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take. So I'm trying to take what

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00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: I've learned and from my teachers, and I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: share it globally, and you're doing something that's globally recognized.

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Speaker 1: But you're trying to elevate that, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: what is so beautiful to see, but also how thoughtful

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Speaker 1: and deep your research is in reading. I think you know,

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Speaker 1: I think people often think that whatever word you use

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Speaker 1: in Raquel, and I felt the same way, whether you

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Speaker 1: use the word influence or whatever whatever that word is, like,

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00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: you often just think that people don't they're not reading,

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Speaker 1: they're not thinking, they're not learning, And it's like, but

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Speaker 1: both of you are. I know the events we all

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00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: go to together, we're always learning from other people, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I think there's there's so much there. So

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Speaker 1: I thank you both from the bottom of my heart

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Speaker 1: for trusting me for being in my life. I thank

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Speaker 1: Raquel for bringing us together and surprising us all today

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Speaker 1: and also also creating that added piece of depth that

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Speaker 1: we all get to uncover. But I hope we get

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Speaker 1: to have there we go. I hope you get I

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Speaker 1: hope you all get to have many more of these conversations.

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Speaker 1: I hope you will come back on the part cast

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Speaker 1: in the future. I hope that Simmy Hayes Beauty as

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00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: the most incredible and successful first twelve months and beyond.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and I hope that you keep serving and

727
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: making a difference to everything you do. You both lights

728
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: in this world and you're making such an impact through

729
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: everything you touch. And I'm fully behind the fundraises. However

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Speaker 1: I can get involved, please let me know. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to be a part of it as well. So thank

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00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: you so so much for having us. Yeah, thank you guys,

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Speaker 1: and thank you everyone who's listening. Yes, thank you to

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Speaker 1: everyone has been listening down the podcast. They have they

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00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: made it, Simmy and please love you. We do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tell you, tell them, you tell them that you love them.

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Speaker 1: That would be in a lot more, but no, I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you everyone who's been listening and watching.

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Speaker 1: I know you made it this far because you're an

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Speaker 1: amazing community. Please anything that Simmy and a shared that

741
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: stood out to you, that resonated with you, I'd love

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Speaker 1: you to tag them on Instagram and post it. I

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00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: want them to feel the love from this episode. So

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Speaker 1: if you love me, if you love on purpose, and

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00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: you loved anything they said today, please share that tagged them.

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00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: I want them to see what resonated with you. Because

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Speaker 1: they've been so kind to us today and opening up

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00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: and sharing their story and sharing their journey. I want

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Speaker 1: them to know what an impact I had on your life.

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Speaker 1: So thank you everyone for listening and watching, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be back soon